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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/things-worse-for-the-environment-than-drivingkinda/569/comment-page-1#comment-37340</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing you can do for the environment is to stop eating meat, you may not like this, but this fact isn&#039;t junk science!

At least eat less...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing you can do for the environment is to stop eating meat, you may not like this, but this fact isn&#8217;t junk science!</p>
<p>At least eat less&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving&#8230; Kinda &#124; Self Reliance Survival Systems</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/things-worse-for-the-environment-than-drivingkinda/569/comment-page-1#comment-6753</link>
		<dc:creator>Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving&#8230; Kinda &#124; Self Reliance Survival Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more than driving. Here is a list of some of these activities, as well as a reality check for each.read more &#124; digg [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Schrishiphan</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/things-worse-for-the-environment-than-drivingkinda/569/comment-page-1#comment-6216</link>
		<dc:creator>Schrishiphan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retitle this article &quot;Excuses not to do what is right&quot;.

Being a consumer of animal products is the worst thing a person can do to the environment. It is the American diet that uses the most fossil fuels and releases the most greenhouse gases. Chalking it up to &quot;meat tastes good&quot; is a poor excuse for irrational behavior. There is no such thing as a meat eating environmentalist!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retitle this article &#8220;Excuses not to do what is right&#8221;.</p>
<p>Being a consumer of animal products is the worst thing a person can do to the environment. It is the American diet that uses the most fossil fuels and releases the most greenhouse gases. Chalking it up to &#8220;meat tastes good&#8221; is a poor excuse for irrational behavior. There is no such thing as a meat eating environmentalist!!!</p>
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		<title>By: twiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>twiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say - and no offense or anything - I&#039;m not impressed by this article.  A lot of the counterpoints seemed to miss the mark by a wide margin, and the last comment about meat seemed tantamount to saying &quot;sure it&#039;s bad, but I&#039;m too selfish to care.&quot;

The relevance of saying &quot;walking is worse than driving&quot; is rather to say &quot;eating beef is bad&quot;.  

The fact that there may one day be a biofuel that doesn&#039;t stink is not a reason in the slightest why it&#039;s ok to drive biofuel cars - it&#039;s a reason to pursue biofuel research.  It&#039;s still true we shouldn&#039;t be driving biofuel cars right now.

Your counters to bicycling and train-riding were completely off the mark.  I&#039;m surprised that you thought those points were worth putting in an article.  

Finally, I was a little dismayed at your dismissal of the meat criticism.  Sure, people who are militant about anything are annoying... but that doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;re necessarily wrong.  It&#039;s annoying to be told that it&#039;s bad to do what you like.  It&#039;s annoying to be told that you shouldn&#039;t drive your hummer because it&#039;s unnecessary and overpolluting - but it&#039;s still true that you shouldn&#039;t drive the hummer, and the annoyance is only there because you have destructive preferences in the first place.  If you can put up a post that implicitly says we should hold off on driving so much, you can suck it up and admit that even though you do eat meat, you do so for bad, selfish reasons, and that you probably shouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say &#8211; and no offense or anything &#8211; I&#8217;m not impressed by this article.  A lot of the counterpoints seemed to miss the mark by a wide margin, and the last comment about meat seemed tantamount to saying &#8220;sure it&#8217;s bad, but I&#8217;m too selfish to care.&#8221;</p>
<p>The relevance of saying &#8220;walking is worse than driving&#8221; is rather to say &#8220;eating beef is bad&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The fact that there may one day be a biofuel that doesn&#8217;t stink is not a reason in the slightest why it&#8217;s ok to drive biofuel cars &#8211; it&#8217;s a reason to pursue biofuel research.  It&#8217;s still true we shouldn&#8217;t be driving biofuel cars right now.</p>
<p>Your counters to bicycling and train-riding were completely off the mark.  I&#8217;m surprised that you thought those points were worth putting in an article.  </p>
<p>Finally, I was a little dismayed at your dismissal of the meat criticism.  Sure, people who are militant about anything are annoying&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;re necessarily wrong.  It&#8217;s annoying to be told that it&#8217;s bad to do what you like.  It&#8217;s annoying to be told that you shouldn&#8217;t drive your hummer because it&#8217;s unnecessary and overpolluting &#8211; but it&#8217;s still true that you shouldn&#8217;t drive the hummer, and the annoyance is only there because you have destructive preferences in the first place.  If you can put up a post that implicitly says we should hold off on driving so much, you can suck it up and admit that even though you do eat meat, you do so for bad, selfish reasons, and that you probably shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: dr</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...I should have mentioned the manufacturing costs of cars...
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Not at all: the prat claiming walking uses more energy than driving should have done. I think all the points you made were spot-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;I should have mentioned the manufacturing costs of cars&#8230;
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<p>Not at all: the prat claiming walking uses more energy than driving should have done. I think all the points you made were spot-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of you. I should have mentioned the manufacturing costs of cars, and this article is definitely US centric. Most of our readers are from the US, so even though I live abroad now these are still very US centric. And although the US is only 5% of the world&#039;s population, they&#039;re still one of the world&#039;s largest greenhouse gas emitters. And I totally agree with you about the british train thing Dr. It&#039;s the only place in the world that&#039;s using advanced technology to create gigantic pieces of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of you. I should have mentioned the manufacturing costs of cars, and this article is definitely US centric. Most of our readers are from the US, so even though I live abroad now these are still very US centric. And although the US is only 5% of the world&#8217;s population, they&#8217;re still one of the world&#8217;s largest greenhouse gas emitters. And I totally agree with you about the british train thing Dr. It&#8217;s the only place in the world that&#8217;s using advanced technology to create gigantic pieces of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: dr</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.

A couple of points: all these so-called &#039;X is worse than driving&#039; articles invariably seem to ignore the environmental penalties of actually manufacturing the car (vs a bicycle or pair of shoes). Also, in my experience at least, cycle-commuters and walkers don&#039;t actually eat more than car drivers, either, they&#039;re just slimmer.

I don&#039;t have the figures, but I&#039;d be willing to bet that the train vs car arguments only holds in countries with third-world train technology (which definitely includes Britain) and state-of-the-art cars. In fact, that probably only does apply in Britain.

While I understand that trains and walking are of little relevance to US readers, they&#039;re statistically immensely important in global terms. 100&#039;s of millions of people walk 3 or more miles a day. Not in the US, sure, but the US is only--what?--5% of the world&#039;s population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.</p>
<p>A couple of points: all these so-called &#8216;X is worse than driving&#8217; articles invariably seem to ignore the environmental penalties of actually manufacturing the car (vs a bicycle or pair of shoes). Also, in my experience at least, cycle-commuters and walkers don&#8217;t actually eat more than car drivers, either, they&#8217;re just slimmer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the figures, but I&#8217;d be willing to bet that the train vs car arguments only holds in countries with third-world train technology (which definitely includes Britain) and state-of-the-art cars. In fact, that probably only does apply in Britain.</p>
<p>While I understand that trains and walking are of little relevance to US readers, they&#8217;re statistically immensely important in global terms. 100&#8217;s of millions of people walk 3 or more miles a day. Not in the US, sure, but the US is only&#8211;what?&#8211;5% of the world&#8217;s population.</p>
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		<title>By: mercaders20</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercaders20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Walking is more of a recreation these days than a form of long distance transportation.&quot;

I assume this is a US-centric website. Lots of people walk or bike to work around the world. I live in a major European city and I walk around 3km a day to go to work. Going by car would take double the time (including finding a parking spot) and public transportation would save me maybe 5 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Walking is more of a recreation these days than a form of long distance transportation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume this is a US-centric website. Lots of people walk or bike to work around the world. I live in a major European city and I walk around 3km a day to go to work. Going by car would take double the time (including finding a parking spot) and public transportation would save me maybe 5 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chat Marchet News Digest &#187; Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving&#8230; Kinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chat Marchet News Digest &#187; Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving&#8230; Kinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the whole article&#8230;  This entry was posted on Saturday, December 1st, 2007 at 6:14 am and is filed under le Chat Marchet. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: milner &#187; Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving…Kinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>milner &#187; Things Worse for the Environment Than Driving…Kinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt There are a lot of people out there who absolutely love their cars. [IMG carpollution] I completely understand the feeling. I grew up in an American suburb, and getting my license on my 16th birthday was a massive milestone. Like most 16 year olds, I felt like I finally had my first taste of freedom. That’s why I always enjoy reading articles that claim some formerly innocuous activity is actually causing even more damage to the environment than driving. The problem is that most of these cla [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt There are a lot of people out there who absolutely love their cars. [IMG carpollution] I completely understand the feeling. I grew up in an American suburb, and getting my license on my 16th birthday was a massive milestone. Like most 16 year olds, I felt like I finally had my first taste of freedom. That’s why I always enjoy reading articles that claim some formerly innocuous activity is actually causing even more damage to the environment than driving. The problem is that most of these cla [...]</p>
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