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	<title>Comments on: Brian Gordon on Global Warming: Worldwide Scientific Conspiracy or New Religion?</title>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/green-living/global-warming-worldwide-scientific-conspiracy-or-new-religion/1047/comment-page-1#comment-96939</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trained by Al gore, oh no</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trained by Al gore, oh no</p>
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		<title>By: Cate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate but true that people believe what is convenient. Here&#039;s a common thread of logic:

There is no lack of evidence that shows our environmental trouble to be self-inflicted, but if I agree I might feel compelled to actually do something and I wouldn&#039;t even know how to begin - it would take effort! - so I am going to work really really hard to cobble together some explanations, some sympathetic sources to cite, and some logical fallacies that sound good. And if I&#039;m faced with someone who is educated enough to dismiss all of this and recognize what I&#039;m trying to do it might at least keep them confused long enough for me to get away before they can point it out.

The sad thing? All of that effort could have been directed toward learning about the problem and starting to fix it, or even doing unbiased research. Biased research always delivers exactly the result it&#039;s expected to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate but true that people believe what is convenient. Here&#8217;s a common thread of logic:</p>
<p>There is no lack of evidence that shows our environmental trouble to be self-inflicted, but if I agree I might feel compelled to actually do something and I wouldn&#8217;t even know how to begin &#8211; it would take effort! &#8211; so I am going to work really really hard to cobble together some explanations, some sympathetic sources to cite, and some logical fallacies that sound good. And if I&#8217;m faced with someone who is educated enough to dismiss all of this and recognize what I&#8217;m trying to do it might at least keep them confused long enough for me to get away before they can point it out.</p>
<p>The sad thing? All of that effort could have been directed toward learning about the problem and starting to fix it, or even doing unbiased research. Biased research always delivers exactly the result it&#8217;s expected to.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting &quot;rebuttals.&quot; Unfortunately, they all seem to bear out the idea that sceptics want to believe something so much that they rationalise their way to it. 

To Charlie H., for example: You think the scientists measuring temperature didn&#039;t think that putting a light in a box might affect the reading, or that tarmac might be hotter than grass? I don&#039;t think our educational system has fallen that far yet. 

Thank you to Lulu Blue for pointing out a common failing of sceptics: they claim big names as being &quot;against&quot; global warming, yet rarely cite credible (or, in the case of Jim Berry, ANY) research that counters the consensus. 

And thanks to all who have the courage to face up to the truth, no matter how frightening or painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting &#8220;rebuttals.&#8221; Unfortunately, they all seem to bear out the idea that sceptics want to believe something so much that they rationalise their way to it. </p>
<p>To Charlie H., for example: You think the scientists measuring temperature didn&#8217;t think that putting a light in a box might affect the reading, or that tarmac might be hotter than grass? I don&#8217;t think our educational system has fallen that far yet. </p>
<p>Thank you to Lulu Blue for pointing out a common failing of sceptics: they claim big names as being &#8220;against&#8221; global warming, yet rarely cite credible (or, in the case of Jim Berry, ANY) research that counters the consensus. </p>
<p>And thanks to all who have the courage to face up to the truth, no matter how frightening or painful.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man Bear Pig is coming! MAN BEAR PIG!!


Haha. I can&#039;t believe how superficial this article is. Imagine if soomeone had written an article that said &quot;I used to believe in global warming. But I realized that the scientific community is an elitist group of liberal anti-industrial intellectuals that ostracizes and brands those who contradict it as being mentally inferior so as to ironically impose a sort of group think on itself. That&#039;s why they all agree on this. That made me realize there is no global warming. That and I did some real research.&quot;  

That would be pretty retarded. I agree with someone who posted before me that the solar activity theory is the most compelling explanation out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man Bear Pig is coming! MAN BEAR PIG!!</p>
<p>Haha. I can&#8217;t believe how superficial this article is. Imagine if soomeone had written an article that said &#8220;I used to believe in global warming. But I realized that the scientific community is an elitist group of liberal anti-industrial intellectuals that ostracizes and brands those who contradict it as being mentally inferior so as to ironically impose a sort of group think on itself. That&#8217;s why they all agree on this. That made me realize there is no global warming. That and I did some real research.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That would be pretty retarded. I agree with someone who posted before me that the solar activity theory is the most compelling explanation out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lulu Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lulu Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
You really can’t find credible peer reviewed scienctific papers that disagree with your views? You haven’t looked very far. Lot’s of stuff from MIT and the Max Planck Institute, by the right wing Chinese government; even by NASA and some of the science referenced in the IPCC. The science is anything but resolved. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then how about you produce some links to these documents for review?</description>
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You really can’t find credible peer reviewed scienctific papers that disagree with your views? You haven’t looked very far. Lot’s of stuff from MIT and the Max Planck Institute, by the right wing Chinese government; even by NASA and some of the science referenced in the IPCC. The science is anything but resolved.
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<p>Then how about you produce some links to these documents for review?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I applaud your due diligence and open-mindedness.  It is refreshing from an admitted member of the skeptical crowd.  How any skeptic can doubt that pouring billions of tons of a greenhouse gas that remains for a hundred years or more in increasing amounts year-to-year into a paper-thin atmosphere has impact on the functioning of that atmosphere&#039;s properties is difficult to fathom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>I applaud your due diligence and open-mindedness.  It is refreshing from an admitted member of the skeptical crowd.  How any skeptic can doubt that pouring billions of tons of a greenhouse gas that remains for a hundred years or more in increasing amounts year-to-year into a paper-thin atmosphere has impact on the functioning of that atmosphere&#8217;s properties is difficult to fathom.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brian, that was an incredibly interesting rebuttal.

What has always seemed most perplexing is that even if you&#039;re unconvinced as to the proof, given the potential magnitude of the situation it would surely be preferable to err on the side of caution. There are lots of little changes you can make - using energy efficient light bulbs, insulting your house etc - that make no difference to your lifestyle and actually save you money as you use less electricity.

There&#039;s a charity I&#039;m involved with called Together.com that is based around these principles. Some of the things you can do are so straightforward, and they&#039;re also running a competition at the moment in which you can win a load of eco-friendly prizes. Seeing as its a &quot;confess your eco sins&quot; theme, even some sceptics might be interested...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian, that was an incredibly interesting rebuttal.</p>
<p>What has always seemed most perplexing is that even if you&#8217;re unconvinced as to the proof, given the potential magnitude of the situation it would surely be preferable to err on the side of caution. There are lots of little changes you can make &#8211; using energy efficient light bulbs, insulting your house etc &#8211; that make no difference to your lifestyle and actually save you money as you use less electricity.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a charity I&#8217;m involved with called Together.com that is based around these principles. Some of the things you can do are so straightforward, and they&#8217;re also running a competition at the moment in which you can win a load of eco-friendly prizes. Seeing as its a &#8220;confess your eco sins&#8221; theme, even some sceptics might be interested&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find many scientists working for universities without oil company grants with views that are counter to the global warming fans.  I also find many scientists on the warming side who accept grants from government and various interest groups. There are also many millions or billions to be made selling carbon credits that do absolutely nothing but make you feel as if you&#039;ve done something wonderful for the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find many scientists working for universities without oil company grants with views that are counter to the global warming fans.  I also find many scientists on the warming side who accept grants from government and various interest groups. There are also many millions or billions to be made selling carbon credits that do absolutely nothing but make you feel as if you&#8217;ve done something wonderful for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to one research the poorest people in the world’s poorest countries will suffer the earliest and the most from climate change, according to this year’s edition of the Environmental Review. The report says that, due to their geographical location, low incomes, and low institutional capacity, as well as their greater reliance on climate-sensitive sectors like agriculture, the poorest countries and people are suffering earliest and are poised to suffer most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to one research the poorest people in the world’s poorest countries will suffer the earliest and the most from climate change, according to this year’s edition of the Environmental Review. The report says that, due to their geographical location, low incomes, and low institutional capacity, as well as their greater reliance on climate-sensitive sectors like agriculture, the poorest countries and people are suffering earliest and are poised to suffer most.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve had a very similar experience to mine.  I started looking for global warming facts about 7 or 8 years ago.  What I found was and continues to be, very frightening.  Especialy when I Googled &quot;antarctic ice core data&quot;.  You can see how global temperature and CO2 concentration are in lock step when in equalibrium over the last 600,000 years. Then when we get to the 1900&#039;s, we&#039;re completely out of sync.  When we get back to equilibrium, what will it be like?  Frightening!  I feel bad for my children, who will be living in a changed world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve had a very similar experience to mine.  I started looking for global warming facts about 7 or 8 years ago.  What I found was and continues to be, very frightening.  Especialy when I Googled &#8220;antarctic ice core data&#8221;.  You can see how global temperature and CO2 concentration are in lock step when in equalibrium over the last 600,000 years. Then when we get to the 1900&#8217;s, we&#8217;re completely out of sync.  When we get back to equilibrium, what will it be like?  Frightening!  I feel bad for my children, who will be living in a changed world.</p>
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