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		<title>By: R. Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-70580</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100%, but it&#039;s just my opinion, which could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100%, but it&#8217;s just my opinion, which could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-15326</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We may all disagree about whether or not global warming exists, but the whole environmentally conscious phase we are going through affects way more than just global warming. For me, being more environmentally friendly is about minimizing the toxins and gases and such that we are pumping into the rivers and oceans, into the earth and therefore into our selves. Global warming may be a hoax, but we cannot deny that we cannot sustain our current standard of living without completely depleting the earth of all it&#039;s resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may all disagree about whether or not global warming exists, but the whole environmentally conscious phase we are going through affects way more than just global warming. For me, being more environmentally friendly is about minimizing the toxins and gases and such that we are pumping into the rivers and oceans, into the earth and therefore into our selves. Global warming may be a hoax, but we cannot deny that we cannot sustain our current standard of living without completely depleting the earth of all it&#8217;s resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-14366</link>
		<dc:creator>Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noaa.gov/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.noaa.gov/&lt;/a&gt; and then navigate from there TB
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could you give me a direct link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Link is <a href="http://www.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noaa.gov/</a> and then navigate from there TB
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<p>Could you give me a direct link?</p>
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		<title>By: Simonpierre</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-14040</link>
		<dc:creator>Simonpierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disraeli once said : &quot;There are lies, bloody lies and statistics&quot;. But how the devil are these statistics made possible ? Every time I read things such as &quot;THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF THE EARTH&quot; I wonder how this so-called average has been calculated and I remind myself that it will not even be a VERY VERY APPROXIMATE GUESS ... in the best of cases .
And, by the way, is any US National Administration reliable when it comes to issuing statistics that will prove that they care for the future ? I dont mean that issuing temperature studies is not more reliable than finding Massive Destruction Weapons in President Saddam Hussein&#039;s Irak but still... well, we all know that labs have to prove they work hard and deserve their money. No, worse, that they will get their money if and only if they promise to work within the mainstream ideas and concour to that mainstream. 
I had a dream. I dreamed that a (at least partially) independent scientist would come and explain that the first quality for being a scientist is to be able to question and confront what he himself thought, and what others said so forcefully, and to check and try and check and try again, and come with some new questions and not always certainties. In France, when Claude Allègre - who is not exactly an ignoramus, explained that he personally did not believe in global warming and a change of climate, he was violently insulted in almost every newspaper and on evry radio and TV. Well, maybe he was wrong - future wil tell - but that was HIS OWN FIELD OF WORK AND KNOWLEDGE while a lot of absolutely incult journalists and absolutely average green wilitants howled wolf on him. Nothing semms to have changed since the good old wars of religion. Whom shall we burn next ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disraeli once said : &#8220;There are lies, bloody lies and statistics&#8221;. But how the devil are these statistics made possible ? Every time I read things such as &#8220;THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF THE EARTH&#8221; I wonder how this so-called average has been calculated and I remind myself that it will not even be a VERY VERY APPROXIMATE GUESS &#8230; in the best of cases .<br />
And, by the way, is any US National Administration reliable when it comes to issuing statistics that will prove that they care for the future ? I dont mean that issuing temperature studies is not more reliable than finding Massive Destruction Weapons in President Saddam Hussein&#8217;s Irak but still&#8230; well, we all know that labs have to prove they work hard and deserve their money. No, worse, that they will get their money if and only if they promise to work within the mainstream ideas and concour to that mainstream.<br />
I had a dream. I dreamed that a (at least partially) independent scientist would come and explain that the first quality for being a scientist is to be able to question and confront what he himself thought, and what others said so forcefully, and to check and try and check and try again, and come with some new questions and not always certainties. In France, when Claude Allègre &#8211; who is not exactly an ignoramus, explained that he personally did not believe in global warming and a change of climate, he was violently insulted in almost every newspaper and on evry radio and TV. Well, maybe he was wrong &#8211; future wil tell &#8211; but that was HIS OWN FIELD OF WORK AND KNOWLEDGE while a lot of absolutely incult journalists and absolutely average green wilitants howled wolf on him. Nothing semms to have changed since the good old wars of religion. Whom shall we burn next ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bristow</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-14021</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link is http://www.noaa.gov/ and then navigate from there TB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link is <a href="http://www.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noaa.gov/</a> and then navigate from there TB</p>
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		<title>By: Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-13850</link>
		<dc:creator>Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Source for average global temperatures not risen for 10 years, in fact gone down by 0.2C, is Satellite records from the US National Oceanic and Atmopsheric Administration in the US. Web site address is on one of my previous comments.
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Could you give me a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Source for average global temperatures not risen for 10 years, in fact gone down by 0.2C, is Satellite records from the US National Oceanic and Atmopsheric Administration in the US. Web site address is on one of my previous comments.
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<p>Could you give me a link?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bristow</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-13729</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Source for average global temperatures not risen for 10 years, in fact gone down by 0.2C, is Satellite records from the US National Oceanic and Atmopsheric Administration in the US. Web site address is on one of my previous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Source for average global temperatures not risen for 10 years, in fact gone down by 0.2C, is Satellite records from the US National Oceanic and Atmopsheric Administration in the US. Web site address is on one of my previous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-13595</link>
		<dc:creator>Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Average global temperatures have not risen for ten years.
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Once again, no source. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s possible - the earth won&#039;t warm as soon as you snap your fingers - but you don&#039;t have a source.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Virtually all the climate models...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Isn&#039;t it usually skeptics who point out climate models are inaccurate? Scientists don&#039;t use climate models to find out if the Earth is warming, they find out how much the Earth will warm. Scientists and and every average person can figure out that the Earth is warming by using basic middle school science.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and Mars and other planets are showing a small degree of warming, which confirms the obvious — that it was the Sun wot dun it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Martian  eccentricity is about 0.1 - over 5 times larger than Earth&#039;s, so the insolation (INcoming SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is more substantial than Earth&#039;s. By the way, Mars has only been warming for 3 years, compared to Earth&#039;s hundreds.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I live in Pittsburgh PA, just the other day (January 8th, 2008) it was 69 degrees.  A few years ago for a week it was 10 below freezing.  It seems to me that the seasons have shifted by a couple of months and the extremes are becoming more extreme.  I blame pop culture.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, but that isn&#039;t really legitimate evidence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Average global temperatures have not risen for ten years.
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<p>Once again, no source. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s possible &#8211; the earth won&#8217;t warm as soon as you snap your fingers &#8211; but you don&#8217;t have a source.</p>
<blockquote><p>Virtually all the climate models&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it usually skeptics who point out climate models are inaccurate? Scientists don&#8217;t use climate models to find out if the Earth is warming, they find out how much the Earth will warm. Scientists and and every average person can figure out that the Earth is warming by using basic middle school science.</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, and Mars and other planets are showing a small degree of warming, which confirms the obvious — that it was the Sun wot dun it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Martian  eccentricity is about 0.1 &#8211; over 5 times larger than Earth&#8217;s, so the insolation (INcoming SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is more substantial than Earth&#8217;s. By the way, Mars has only been warming for 3 years, compared to Earth&#8217;s hundreds.</p>
<blockquote><p>I live in Pittsburgh PA, just the other day (January 8th, 2008) it was 69 degrees.  A few years ago for a week it was 10 below freezing.  It seems to me that the seasons have shifted by a couple of months and the extremes are becoming more extreme.  I blame pop culture.
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but that isn&#8217;t really legitimate evidence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kev Man</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-13561</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Pittsburgh PA, just the other day (January 8th, 2008) it was 69 degrees.  A few years ago for a week it was 10 below freezing.  It seems to me that the seasons have shifted by a couple of months and the extremes are becoming more extreme.  I blame pop culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Pittsburgh PA, just the other day (January 8th, 2008) it was 69 degrees.  A few years ago for a week it was 10 below freezing.  It seems to me that the seasons have shifted by a couple of months and the extremes are becoming more extreme.  I blame pop culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Helmer MEP</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/skeptics-corner/696/comment-page-1#comment-13536</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Helmer MEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average global temperatures have not risen for ten years.  CO2 is certainly a greenhouse gas, but its climate-forcing effect is logarithmic (i.e. a law of diminishing returns), and at current levels of atmospheric CO2, further increases in CO2 will have very small effects.

Virtually all the climate models based on CO2 predict the greatest temperature increase in the high atmosphere (10 km+).  But observations (both weather balloons and satellites) show what little warming there is at ground level.

Sea level is not rising any faster than it has since records began (and probably since the start of the current interglacial, 10,000 years ago).  Indeed some research shows the rate of rise slowing through the 20th century.

Oh, and Mars and other planets are showing a small degree of warming, which confirms the obvious -- that it was the Sun wot dun it.

Even if Kyoto were to be fully implemented (it won&#039;t be), it would make a difference to average global temperatures almost too small to measure, even 100 years out (and less in the meantime).

If the UK were to close down its economy totally and not even light a candle, our reduction in CO2 would be eaten up by increases in emissions from China in around one year.  We could do huge economic damage, for zero result.

Instead of worrying about climate change, let´s worry about energy security, and get on and build more nuclear capacity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average global temperatures have not risen for ten years.  CO2 is certainly a greenhouse gas, but its climate-forcing effect is logarithmic (i.e. a law of diminishing returns), and at current levels of atmospheric CO2, further increases in CO2 will have very small effects.</p>
<p>Virtually all the climate models based on CO2 predict the greatest temperature increase in the high atmosphere (10 km+).  But observations (both weather balloons and satellites) show what little warming there is at ground level.</p>
<p>Sea level is not rising any faster than it has since records began (and probably since the start of the current interglacial, 10,000 years ago).  Indeed some research shows the rate of rise slowing through the 20th century.</p>
<p>Oh, and Mars and other planets are showing a small degree of warming, which confirms the obvious &#8212; that it was the Sun wot dun it.</p>
<p>Even if Kyoto were to be fully implemented (it won&#8217;t be), it would make a difference to average global temperatures almost too small to measure, even 100 years out (and less in the meantime).</p>
<p>If the UK were to close down its economy totally and not even light a candle, our reduction in CO2 would be eaten up by increases in emissions from China in around one year.  We could do huge economic damage, for zero result.</p>
<p>Instead of worrying about climate change, let´s worry about energy security, and get on and build more nuclear capacity.</p>
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