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	<title>Comments on: Russia Responds to the Joint Strike Fighter Program</title>
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		<title>By: wynn</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-277631</link>
		<dc:creator>wynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI...EVERYBODY.....Which one is superior among UFO,F22,F35,MIG35,SU35??????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI&#8230;EVERYBODY&#8230;..Which one is superior among UFO,F22,F35,MIG35,SU35??????????</p>
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		<title>By: Ian de Montfort</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-276573</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian de Montfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There vis only one side who ever wins in any conflict. And this has been a fact since WW1. That is the Central Banking Cartel. They win every time because they finance every war we find ourselves entangled in. It does not matter whether you are Russian, Western European, or American. Those men in their dark suits and evil intentions, driving us all towards a one world government will be the victors. Wake up Humanity, we are being played like puppets on a string. We are being used for the purpose of collective suicide. The machines of war we have should be turned upon the financiers of this futile exercise in misery and slaughter. Time to wake up, or die. 

Rid ourselves of the evil yolk of Usery and remember who we really are. We are all fine men and women, dreaming of a world without monotheism and those who bought it to us. &#039;Which way western man? Which way?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There vis only one side who ever wins in any conflict. And this has been a fact since WW1. That is the Central Banking Cartel. They win every time because they finance every war we find ourselves entangled in. It does not matter whether you are Russian, Western European, or American. Those men in their dark suits and evil intentions, driving us all towards a one world government will be the victors. Wake up Humanity, we are being played like puppets on a string. We are being used for the purpose of collective suicide. The machines of war we have should be turned upon the financiers of this futile exercise in misery and slaughter. Time to wake up, or die. </p>
<p>Rid ourselves of the evil yolk of Usery and remember who we really are. We are all fine men and women, dreaming of a world without monotheism and those who bought it to us. &#8216;Which way western man? Which way?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: ShowStalker</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-276175</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowStalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Russia has always been in the thick of the technology and are far superior than Americans and i m glad they are making comeback again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Russia has always been in the thick of the technology and are far superior than Americans and i m glad they are making comeback again</p>
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		<title>By: Kamal</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-271482</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SU 27s smoke out F-22s, New US Fighter Jets [F-35] Clubbed Like Baby Seals’ By Russian Sukhois

I&#039;m not into argument with anybody without facts and figure.But this is what I found in the http://rupeenews.com/2008/10/04/su-27s-smoke-out-f-35s-and-f-22-in-real-taiwan-wargame/  regarding F 35 AND F22. Just a few transcript from the articles   

&quot;There is much controversy brewing about the lack of performance of the F-35s. The Australians and others are raving mad. Now there is news that the F-22s were unable to defend their tankers which keep them afloat in the sky. The F-22 lifeline is critical to the survival of the F-22s.The F-35s are a total fiasco. Almost all European and Anzus countries are reevaluating their orders and many are talking about the plane being similar to the failed F-111.

As for the highly complex electronics to attack targets in the air, the F-35, like the F-22 before it, has mortgaged its success on a hypothetical vision of ultra-long range, radar-based air-to-air combat that has fallen on its face many times in real air war. The F-35’s air-to-ground electronics promise little more than slicker command and control for the use of existing munitions.

The immediate questions for the F-35 are: how much more will it cost and how many additional problems will compromise its already mediocre performance? We will only know when a complete and rigorous test schedule –not currently planned – is finished. The F-35 is a bad deal that shows every sign of turning into a disaster as big as the F-111 fiasco of the 1960s. (Janes Defense Weekly–Full report below)

Trust me guys this F 35 very soon will dump at 3rd world country market.It&#039;s a failure sign...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SU 27s smoke out F-22s, New US Fighter Jets [F-35] Clubbed Like Baby Seals’ By Russian Sukhois</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not into argument with anybody without facts and figure.But this is what I found in the <a href="http://rupeenews.com/2008/10/04/su-27s-smoke-out-f-35s-and-f-22-in-real-taiwan-wargame/" rel="nofollow">http://rupeenews.com/2008/10/04/su-27s-smoke-out-f-35s-and-f-22-in-real-taiwan-wargame/</a>  regarding F 35 AND F22. Just a few transcript from the articles   </p>
<p>&#8220;There is much controversy brewing about the lack of performance of the F-35s. The Australians and others are raving mad. Now there is news that the F-22s were unable to defend their tankers which keep them afloat in the sky. The F-22 lifeline is critical to the survival of the F-22s.The F-35s are a total fiasco. Almost all European and Anzus countries are reevaluating their orders and many are talking about the plane being similar to the failed F-111.</p>
<p>As for the highly complex electronics to attack targets in the air, the F-35, like the F-22 before it, has mortgaged its success on a hypothetical vision of ultra-long range, radar-based air-to-air combat that has fallen on its face many times in real air war. The F-35’s air-to-ground electronics promise little more than slicker command and control for the use of existing munitions.</p>
<p>The immediate questions for the F-35 are: how much more will it cost and how many additional problems will compromise its already mediocre performance? We will only know when a complete and rigorous test schedule –not currently planned – is finished. The F-35 is a bad deal that shows every sign of turning into a disaster as big as the F-111 fiasco of the 1960s. (Janes Defense Weekly–Full report below)</p>
<p>Trust me guys this F 35 very soon will dump at 3rd world country market.It&#8217;s a failure sign&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: JAS</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-268111</link>
		<dc:creator>JAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The F35 is not a fighter airplane...its a spaceship! The yet to be put in production and service F35 needs treatment like a princess and service after every flight. It will ruin smaller states budget, like Norways, because noone really can say the how much the F35 will cost during its lifetime. Norway was led behind the lights with a happy calylationins. The F35 is to expensive and it will break if used under field conditions. The russian aircrafts are rugged and their engines can take some shit from the runway. They even have upper airintakes for taking of from dirty runways! The russians build fighters for war, the USA for show off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The F35 is not a fighter airplane&#8230;its a spaceship! The yet to be put in production and service F35 needs treatment like a princess and service after every flight. It will ruin smaller states budget, like Norways, because noone really can say the how much the F35 will cost during its lifetime. Norway was led behind the lights with a happy calylationins. The F35 is to expensive and it will break if used under field conditions. The russian aircrafts are rugged and their engines can take some shit from the runway. They even have upper airintakes for taking of from dirty runways! The russians build fighters for war, the USA for show off.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-267048</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the article and most of the comments are missing the point.  The JSF is an excellent multi-role aircraft.  There may be other aircraft that excel in one of its many missions, but taken as a whole, you can replace much of a disparate fleet of aircraft with a smaller number of F-35s.  The US approach is to have a common airframe capable of substantially fulfilling most of these roles.  The glaring exception (until Obama killed it) is the F-22 Raptor.  This is currently the ULTIMATE A2A combat vehicle.  Hands down.  No questions asked.  Next.  The USAF will still have these, and will limit their roles as necessary to maintain air superiority.  Note that these are not requires in all theaters, as air superiority does not factor into the current state of asymmetric warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the article and most of the comments are missing the point.  The JSF is an excellent multi-role aircraft.  There may be other aircraft that excel in one of its many missions, but taken as a whole, you can replace much of a disparate fleet of aircraft with a smaller number of F-35s.  The US approach is to have a common airframe capable of substantially fulfilling most of these roles.  The glaring exception (until Obama killed it) is the F-22 Raptor.  This is currently the ULTIMATE A2A combat vehicle.  Hands down.  No questions asked.  Next.  The USAF will still have these, and will limit their roles as necessary to maintain air superiority.  Note that these are not requires in all theaters, as air superiority does not factor into the current state of asymmetric warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Marz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually most Russian military equipment is designed to be user friendly and easy
for conscipts to learn to use quickly i.e. The kalishnikov rifle - it is told that the designer took the prototypes down to the firing range with a bunch of conscripts and crates of beer where he found out the rifle sight was being used by the conscripts to lever off the beer bottle tops. Nothing said but the production model now has a bottle opener on the stock as standard. This sort of pragmatism also applies to Russian tanks and aircraft. So perhaps all that training that the US pilots go thru probably reflects the complexity of the aircraft and the inputs of various competing services and avionics influencing the tasks required to fly the F35. Which is probably why the Indian pilots consistently overwhelm the US pilots in their regular war games. A ratio of 5xSU37&#039;s for 1xF35 5:1 on a cost basis suggests that 5 aircraft requiring less training and time to fly against one F35 with outstanding training amounts to asymmetrical pragmatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually most Russian military equipment is designed to be user friendly and easy<br />
for conscipts to learn to use quickly i.e. The kalishnikov rifle &#8211; it is told that the designer took the prototypes down to the firing range with a bunch of conscripts and crates of beer where he found out the rifle sight was being used by the conscripts to lever off the beer bottle tops. Nothing said but the production model now has a bottle opener on the stock as standard. This sort of pragmatism also applies to Russian tanks and aircraft. So perhaps all that training that the US pilots go thru probably reflects the complexity of the aircraft and the inputs of various competing services and avionics influencing the tasks required to fly the F35. Which is probably why the Indian pilots consistently overwhelm the US pilots in their regular war games. A ratio of 5xSU37&#8217;s for 1xF35 5:1 on a cost basis suggests that 5 aircraft requiring less training and time to fly against one F35 with outstanding training amounts to asymmetrical pragmatism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, technology is no replacement for good fighter pilot and training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, technology is no replacement for good fighter pilot and training.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A2A combat , and WVR engagement will never become a thing of the past. It will only become more important in coming days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A2A combat , and WVR engagement will never become a thing of the past. It will only become more important in coming days.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/russia-responds-joint-strike-fighter-program/11024/comment-page-1#comment-265539</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew
That doesn&#039;t explain why Indian pilots flying Russian fighters keep spanking US pilots in joint war games (two years in a row). The US might spend more on training, but US pilots don&#039;t have the skills apparently. The Indian airforce&#039;s training seems to be better, the Russian planes are conclusively much better at dog fighting, but I agree with the previous poster, it&#039;s all meaningless with long range radar and stand-off weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew<br />
That doesn&#8217;t explain why Indian pilots flying Russian fighters keep spanking US pilots in joint war games (two years in a row). The US might spend more on training, but US pilots don&#8217;t have the skills apparently. The Indian airforce&#8217;s training seems to be better, the Russian planes are conclusively much better at dog fighting, but I agree with the previous poster, it&#8217;s all meaningless with long range radar and stand-off weapons.</p>
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