Comments on: Porsche to Sue London Over $50 Per Day “Gas Guzzler Tax” http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807 for environmentalists who don't take themselves too seriously Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:41:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Russell http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-25851 Russell Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:43:27 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-25851 If this tax is indeed to help the environment, then it should be based on usage as was mentioned above. A car should not be taxed based on its potential to polute, but rather on how much it actually polutes. (This would be like saying, well you could earn 100,000 a year so we will tax you as if you did.) If you drive a Porsche or Ferrari or other similar car only a few thousand miles a year you are poluting much less than someone who drives a Prius 20,000 miles a year. So if this is tax is aimed at helping the environment then in this example the owner of the Prius should pay more than the owner of the Porsche or Ferrari. Of course if the tax is not to help the environment, but rather just to raise money for transportation infrastructure, then cars should be taxed based on their cost, and the government should leave out the environment in its attempt to sell the tax to the people and just say they want to tax expensive cars. If this tax is indeed to help the environment, then it should be based on usage as was mentioned above. A car should not be taxed based on its potential to polute, but rather on how much it actually polutes. (This would be like saying, well you could earn 100,000 a year so we will tax you as if you did.) If you drive a Porsche or Ferrari or other similar car only a few thousand miles a year you are poluting much less than someone who drives a Prius 20,000 miles a year. So if this is tax is aimed at helping the environment then in this example the owner of the Prius should pay more than the owner of the Porsche or Ferrari.

Of course if the tax is not to help the environment, but rather just to raise money for transportation infrastructure, then cars should be taxed based on their cost, and the government should leave out the environment in its attempt to sell the tax to the people and just say they want to tax expensive cars.

]]> By: Nigel Roberts http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-25208 Nigel Roberts Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:02:23 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-25208 SUV's are dinosaurs... MOST of the people who drive them, just don't care about the environment. Do they truly believe that the environment is over rated? Perhaps they can move to another planet. SUV’s are dinosaurs…

MOST of the people who drive them, just don’t care about the environment.

Do they truly believe that the environment is over rated?

Perhaps they can move to another planet.

]]> By: kane http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19935 kane Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:18:57 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19935 If you have the money for a Porche you have the money to pay the tax! This is what is wrong with the world. If you have lots of money you pay less that some that has none, does that sound right ?? no! but thats the way it works. The rich get richer the poor get poorer. Get you silver spoon out your arses and drive a 1 liter car you rich pricks then you can evade another tax! If you have the money for a Porche you have the money to pay the tax!

This is what is wrong with the world. If you have lots of money you pay less that some that has none, does that sound right ?? no! but thats the way it works.

The rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Get you silver spoon out your arses and drive a 1 liter car you rich pricks then you can evade another tax!

]]> By: Roger Jardine Thomas http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19602 Roger Jardine Thomas Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:02:23 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19602 Jon. Fully agree their are a lot of people making environmetal decisions with very little knowledge. All nonsense getting people to get rid of old cars for new ones. Fueling consumerism, without taking into account full life cycle analysis. Old cars even if they emit more per mile, still have original manufacturing resource use and pollution etc spreadout over more years. Perhaps everybody should get electric cars to avoid the congestion charge. They could all plug them in, then see how long the National Grid lasts. Ken and other politicians don't seem to realise where electrity comes from. In the UK in the main fossil fuels and nuclear. Jon. Fully agree their are a lot of people making environmetal decisions with very little knowledge.

All nonsense getting people to get rid of old cars for new ones. Fueling consumerism, without taking into account full life cycle analysis. Old cars even if they emit more per mile, still have original manufacturing resource use and pollution etc spreadout over more years.

Perhaps everybody should get electric cars to avoid the congestion charge. They could all plug them in, then see how long the National Grid lasts.

Ken and other politicians don’t seem to realise where electrity comes from. In the UK in the main fossil fuels and nuclear.

]]> By: x300 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19587 x300 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:08:43 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19587 Imposing a special local tax to fight local problems is a tried, proven and accepted governing method. If the burden is too much in the City in London, the neiboring cities could try to promote a business district. I feel it is perfectly fair if all vehicles, including rollies, are subject to it. "Alliance Against Urban 4x4s" is quoted in the article, and I am against urban SUVs as well. But the article lacks the discussion of efficiency. Porsche sells a line of SUV, but other Porsche products are quite efficient in providing a comfortable and fast transport. A truck could be quite efficient in terms of CO2 emissions, providing transport per ton of cargo door to door. Tokyo has been unexpectedly successful in bringing the blue sky back in the last 5 years or so by mandating better exhaust particle filtering on diesel trucks entering the area. Polution and Global Warming should not be confused, and CO2 reduction may be more effectively and efficiently achieved elsewhere such as on highways. Imposing a special local tax to fight local problems is a tried, proven and accepted governing method.
If the burden is too much in the City in London, the neiboring cities could try to promote a business district. I feel it is perfectly fair if all vehicles, including rollies, are subject to it.

“Alliance Against Urban 4×4s” is quoted in the article, and I am against urban SUVs as well. But the article lacks the discussion of efficiency. Porsche sells a line of SUV, but other Porsche products are quite efficient in providing a comfortable and fast transport. A truck could be quite efficient in terms of CO2 emissions, providing transport per ton of cargo door to door.

Tokyo has been unexpectedly successful in bringing the blue sky back in the last 5 years or so by mandating better exhaust particle filtering on diesel trucks entering the area. Polution and Global Warming should not be confused, and CO2 reduction may be more effectively and efficiently achieved elsewhere such as on highways.

]]> By: Jon http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19527 Jon Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:27:34 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19527 Ms X driving into London early before rush hour in her 7.0 litre Dodge Viper - which she then parks in her company garage, will cause less pollution and congestion than Mr Y who spends all day rushing around London in his 1.0 Litre mini. So this levy shows a dangerous level of ignorance when it comes to tackling emissions. The total environmental cost should be considered. Such as what is the cost to dispose of the batteries in hybrids + any extra energy used to create them. Ms X driving into London early before rush hour in her 7.0 litre Dodge Viper – which she then parks in her company garage, will cause less pollution and congestion than Mr Y who spends all day rushing around London in his 1.0 Litre mini.
So this levy shows a dangerous level of ignorance when it comes to tackling emissions.

The total environmental cost should be considered. Such as what is the cost to dispose of the batteries in hybrids + any extra energy used to create them.

]]> By: uba http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19523 uba Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:02:03 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19523 Porsche is a German company. Very odd for it to stand up for Londoners, don't you think? Porsche is a German company. Very odd for it to stand up for Londoners, don’t you think?

]]> By: Mike http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807/comment-page-1#comment-19507 Mike Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:31:13 +0000 http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/porsche-to-sue-london-over-50-per-day-gas-guzzler-tax/807#comment-19507 Using "the environment" as your excuse for fundraising is atrocious! Using “the environment” as your excuse for fundraising is atrocious!

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