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	<title>Comments on: Iraq&#8217;s Depleted Uranium Shells Could Kill 500,000</title>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-143205</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haz cancer from licking depleted-uranium shells. They&#039;re cool and full of metallicy goodness.
Who can I sue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haz cancer from licking depleted-uranium shells. They&#8217;re cool and full of metallicy goodness.<br />
Who can I sue?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-142720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal arts college products should stick to finger painting and basket weaving and leave the science to the big boys. I&#039;d love to know where Ben got his info from. Maybe if some clown ate every bit of DU shells they would get sick. But your anti-nuke propaganda is ill informed fear mongering propaganda. 

Jeffrey (has a B.S. in physics and will have a Master&#039;s in Nuclear Engineering in May)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal arts college products should stick to finger painting and basket weaving and leave the science to the big boys. I&#8217;d love to know where Ben got his info from. Maybe if some clown ate every bit of DU shells they would get sick. But your anti-nuke propaganda is ill informed fear mongering propaganda. </p>
<p>Jeffrey (has a B.S. in physics and will have a Master&#8217;s in Nuclear Engineering in May)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

A perfect example of why small liberal arts colleges are dangerous as a whole to our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>A perfect example of why small liberal arts colleges are dangerous as a whole to our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-142370</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I work around powdered enriched Uranium every day at work and no one has died there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I work around powdered enriched Uranium every day at work and no one has died there.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-68695</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you been over to Iraq and inspected the contaminated sites? Have you personally interviewed the soldiers and the Iraqi civilians, or better yet seen the effects of the du on the population post Gulf War?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you been over to Iraq and inspected the contaminated sites? Have you personally interviewed the soldiers and the Iraqi civilians, or better yet seen the effects of the du on the population post Gulf War?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Helbig</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-53816</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see where I made a major typo in the prior post -- I have bad eyes and these blocks often are very tiny --

I said the &quot;research we worked on&quot; in reference to Leuren K Moret&#039;s graduate student research at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.  I did not work with Moret and the &quot;we&quot; should be &quot;she&quot;.

I am sorry that I did not catch that.

Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where I made a major typo in the prior post &#8212; I have bad eyes and these blocks often are very tiny &#8211;</p>
<p>I said the &#8220;research we worked on&#8221; in reference to Leuren K Moret&#8217;s graduate student research at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.  I did not work with Moret and the &#8220;we&#8221; should be &#8220;she&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am sorry that I did not catch that.</p>
<p>Roger</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Helbig</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-53815</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole premise of this article, starting with the headline is false.  No one has died from cancer caused by DU in Iraq or anywhere else.  Here is a response sent to Sherwood Ross who wrote a much quoted similar article at Rense.com - the original reply was posted to somewhere in Zambia, that&#039;s how far this gets around and the reach of the Google Alert.

None of the so-called experts in this article has any real knowledge of the subject.  The writer may have been a reporter once, but this is not reporting, it is political propaganda and he is no better than a common hack.  He cites Leuren K Moret as a &quot;nuclear authority&quot;.  Moret did not work for Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at all, let alone 5 years; she was a graduate student in Geology there, but did not complete her studies and the research that we worked on had nothing to do with uranium, radiation or nuclear anything.  Later, Moret did work at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and she apparently believes that being near a nuclear scientist makes one a nuclear authority; in reality, Moret worked for less than one year from 89-90 as a Senior Scientific Technologist in the Center for Applied Scientific Computing.  Moret was one of 9 appointed members of the Community Environmental Advisory Commission and Moret did serve as an early President of the Association of Women Geoscientists which disavows Moret&#039;s current politically motivated perversion of science.  Ross then cites Korean War veteran Arthur Bernklau, a veteran with a long history of anger with the Department of Veterans Affairs but no knowledge whatsoever of depleted uranium.  There was no DU in the Korean War - DU kinetic energy penetrator munitions were not developed until the 1970s when it became apparent that the Soviet Bloc&#039;s expected armored thrust through the North German Plain&#039;s Fulda Gap would be unstoppable.  The US needed something that would penetrate modern tank armor and it found that the extreme density of DU coupled with the self-sharpening capability due to DU&#039;s pyrophoric characteristic was the only thing that would do the job.  DU was then used for 105mm, 120mm, 30mm and 25mm cannon projectiles.  The 105mm was for the M-60 tank, which though obsolete saw action in Desert Storm; the 120mm is for the M1A1 Abrams Tank which is still in service and which also uses DU for &quot;heavy armor&quot;; the 30mm is for the A-10 Warthog&#039;s Gatling Gun - the A-10 was headed for retirement when it was used in Desert Storm; it worked as advertised and killed a lot of Iraqi tanks, but also spewed a lot of DU projectiles on the desert floor.  Most of those, however, are likely still intact within their aluminum shrouds, just like they were found intact in Boznia-Herzegovina as reported by UNEP.  The 25mm is used by the Marine Corps Harrier jump-jet and the Bradley Fighting Vehicle&#039;s chain gun.  Very little DU was likely used in Afghanistan since the Taliban had very few tanks, it is not sure that A-10 was within range, DU is not used in any bomb, and there were no tank-to-tank battles like in Desert Storm or Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.  DU was used heavily to attack tanks and armored vehicles in Desert Storm and the drive to Baghdad, but it is not used as an anti-personnel weapon, it would even pass right through the unarmored sides of cars or trucks and would not be of real value against them. Uranium does congregrate in the kidneys.  The absence of kidney damage in claimed DU cases is highly indicative that the claim is not bonafide.  There are no bonafide cases of DU causing birth defects and there is more than a 100 years of dealing with uranium mining and its use as a colorant and glaze to support the lack of uranium causing birth defects.  Frauds like Moret claim that DU nano particles are special, but Uranium 238 is a naturally ocurring element everywhere on the planet, it has even been used to measure the age of 1000 year old deeply buried Antarctic ice.  To learn about uranium and DU, go to www.depletedcranium.com where you will see a DU glazed Fiesta Ware orange plate being used for dinner and learn about uranium and DU as well.  DUStory in Yahoo Groups was created to post the facts about Leuren K Moret, Douglas Lind Rokke, Asaf Durakovic and others who I have made public records act requests on to obtain their military and personnel records.  Messages are public; one of them contains a number of links, but it is about 3 months old, so the Links Section still has more information; another #57 has a username and password so that anyone may join for a short while and visit the Files Section or Links Section.  The Files Section contains the records of Rokke, Moret, Durakovic and others.  Do come visit and learn that these myths about DU are just that myths being dug up by one of your more unpopular interlopers judging from another message.

Write me at DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com - I will reply, usually late in the evening California time on that day, but certainly within a week or two.

Here are some links to help you get started in learning about DU. 

In Files Section on Moret

AM78_853 - Cites Carmichael &amp; Moret.pdf 
Moret - One-time Geology Grad Student at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 

Moret and Fulk Livermore Employment.pdf 
Leuren K Moret, Marion Fulk - Employment at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 

Gamma Scout Meter and DU.pdf 
Why the Gamma Scout Meter used by Leuren Moret in Hawaii can not detect DU in the air 

View these by following the instructions to join and go to the Files Section at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/57

Links to the UNEP, IAEA and other factual scientific reports are at 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/55 and even more links are available if you join using Message 57&#039;s instructions and go to Links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole premise of this article, starting with the headline is false.  No one has died from cancer caused by DU in Iraq or anywhere else.  Here is a response sent to Sherwood Ross who wrote a much quoted similar article at Rense.com &#8211; the original reply was posted to somewhere in Zambia, that&#8217;s how far this gets around and the reach of the Google Alert.</p>
<p>None of the so-called experts in this article has any real knowledge of the subject.  The writer may have been a reporter once, but this is not reporting, it is political propaganda and he is no better than a common hack.  He cites Leuren K Moret as a &#8220;nuclear authority&#8221;.  Moret did not work for Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at all, let alone 5 years; she was a graduate student in Geology there, but did not complete her studies and the research that we worked on had nothing to do with uranium, radiation or nuclear anything.  Later, Moret did work at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and she apparently believes that being near a nuclear scientist makes one a nuclear authority; in reality, Moret worked for less than one year from 89-90 as a Senior Scientific Technologist in the Center for Applied Scientific Computing.  Moret was one of 9 appointed members of the Community Environmental Advisory Commission and Moret did serve as an early President of the Association of Women Geoscientists which disavows Moret&#8217;s current politically motivated perversion of science.  Ross then cites Korean War veteran Arthur Bernklau, a veteran with a long history of anger with the Department of Veterans Affairs but no knowledge whatsoever of depleted uranium.  There was no DU in the Korean War &#8211; DU kinetic energy penetrator munitions were not developed until the 1970s when it became apparent that the Soviet Bloc&#8217;s expected armored thrust through the North German Plain&#8217;s Fulda Gap would be unstoppable.  The US needed something that would penetrate modern tank armor and it found that the extreme density of DU coupled with the self-sharpening capability due to DU&#8217;s pyrophoric characteristic was the only thing that would do the job.  DU was then used for 105mm, 120mm, 30mm and 25mm cannon projectiles.  The 105mm was for the M-60 tank, which though obsolete saw action in Desert Storm; the 120mm is for the M1A1 Abrams Tank which is still in service and which also uses DU for &#8220;heavy armor&#8221;; the 30mm is for the A-10 Warthog&#8217;s Gatling Gun &#8211; the A-10 was headed for retirement when it was used in Desert Storm; it worked as advertised and killed a lot of Iraqi tanks, but also spewed a lot of DU projectiles on the desert floor.  Most of those, however, are likely still intact within their aluminum shrouds, just like they were found intact in Boznia-Herzegovina as reported by UNEP.  The 25mm is used by the Marine Corps Harrier jump-jet and the Bradley Fighting Vehicle&#8217;s chain gun.  Very little DU was likely used in Afghanistan since the Taliban had very few tanks, it is not sure that A-10 was within range, DU is not used in any bomb, and there were no tank-to-tank battles like in Desert Storm or Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.  DU was used heavily to attack tanks and armored vehicles in Desert Storm and the drive to Baghdad, but it is not used as an anti-personnel weapon, it would even pass right through the unarmored sides of cars or trucks and would not be of real value against them. Uranium does congregrate in the kidneys.  The absence of kidney damage in claimed DU cases is highly indicative that the claim is not bonafide.  There are no bonafide cases of DU causing birth defects and there is more than a 100 years of dealing with uranium mining and its use as a colorant and glaze to support the lack of uranium causing birth defects.  Frauds like Moret claim that DU nano particles are special, but Uranium 238 is a naturally ocurring element everywhere on the planet, it has even been used to measure the age of 1000 year old deeply buried Antarctic ice.  To learn about uranium and DU, go to <a href="http://www.depletedcranium.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.depletedcranium.com</a> where you will see a DU glazed Fiesta Ware orange plate being used for dinner and learn about uranium and DU as well.  DUStory in Yahoo Groups was created to post the facts about Leuren K Moret, Douglas Lind Rokke, Asaf Durakovic and others who I have made public records act requests on to obtain their military and personnel records.  Messages are public; one of them contains a number of links, but it is about 3 months old, so the Links Section still has more information; another #57 has a username and password so that anyone may join for a short while and visit the Files Section or Links Section.  The Files Section contains the records of Rokke, Moret, Durakovic and others.  Do come visit and learn that these myths about DU are just that myths being dug up by one of your more unpopular interlopers judging from another message.</p>
<p>Write me at <a href="mailto:DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com">DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com</a> &#8211; I will reply, usually late in the evening California time on that day, but certainly within a week or two.</p>
<p>Here are some links to help you get started in learning about DU. </p>
<p>In Files Section on Moret</p>
<p>AM78_853 &#8211; Cites Carmichael &amp; Moret.pdf<br />
Moret &#8211; One-time Geology Grad Student at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory </p>
<p>Moret and Fulk Livermore Employment.pdf<br />
Leuren K Moret, Marion Fulk &#8211; Employment at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory </p>
<p>Gamma Scout Meter and DU.pdf<br />
Why the Gamma Scout Meter used by Leuren Moret in Hawaii can not detect DU in the air </p>
<p>View these by following the instructions to join and go to the Files Section at <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/57" rel="nofollow">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/57</a></p>
<p>Links to the UNEP, IAEA and other factual scientific reports are at<br />
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/55" rel="nofollow">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUStory/message/55</a> and even more links are available if you join using Message 57&#8217;s instructions and go to Links.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-50483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the RINF article in the brackets--we try to source and fact-check everything we publish, for obvious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the RINF article in the brackets&#8211;we try to source and fact-check everything we publish, for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas King</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/iraq-depleted-uranium-shells-could-kill-500000/1214/comment-page-1#comment-50415</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your taking the time to publish this information...  I find myself wondering what your sources of information are so that I can verify them and spread the word as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your taking the time to publish this information&#8230;  I find myself wondering what your sources of information are so that I can verify them and spread the word as well?</p>
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